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« on: August 25, 2007, 04:16:31 pm »

http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2317307.ece
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 04:28:29 pm »

dont vote for Hillary then !!!   rolleyes

I second the poop motion
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2007, 06:19:13 pm »

If you're going to post a link, it would be great to actually comment on it so as to spark a conversation.  Simply saying "I poop on gun control" is, well, not really an intelligent way of starting a discussion.  Please, I value your views Kai, state a position and why you feel that way and let's talk about this...gun control is an important issue and I think it'd be great to discuss it!
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2007, 07:34:49 pm »

Just some facts from the Home Office:

Contrary to public perception, the overall level of gun crime in the UK is very low – less than 0.5% of all crime recorded by the police.

In the year ending 31 March 2005 provisional figures show a:

    * 16% reduction in the use of handguns
    * 9% reduction in robberies involving firearms
    * 6% reduction in serious injuries from firearms offences

Despite these figures, the number of overall offences involving firearms has been increasing each year since 1997/98. And crime involving imitation weapons was up 55% in 2004-05 compared to the previous year.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/gun-crime/
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2007, 10:36:15 pm »

Thank you almighty deemer of intelligent ways to start posts for your wisdom. On the contrary, I don't think any more was necessary in my original post. The facts speak for themselves. Even though the crimes might have reduced in the last year, they are far worse than they were before they instated "gun control", an oxymoron.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 10:05:29 am »

I hate to say it, but sometimes it's easier to just go directly to the end result. Taking guns away = bad.

That said, it should be made impossible for a previous offender to buy a gun.

So IMO, quite simply, guns should be legal but the screening process should be much more intense.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 06:09:18 pm »

Thank you almighty deemer of intelligent ways to start posts for your wisdom. On the contrary, I don't think any more was necessary in my original post. The facts speak for themselves. Even though the crimes might have reduced in the last year, they are far worse than they were before they instated "gun control", an oxymoron.

I wasn't saying YOU weren't intelligent, just not your post starting skills.   kiss

And the "facts" of your article are rather sketchy.  Especially when the statistics from the Home Office show them to be what they are, sensationalized figures from a very biased article.

Also, I'm not interested in that article, Kai, I'm interested in your interpretation of it.  That is the spirit of this place.  Take that article, and then take your own stand, don't just adopt the one from the article because that's too easy. 

Not to mention that just because there is an increase of gun use that gun control isn't working.  The question you have to ask isn't whether or not gun use is increasing, but what would it have been without gun control?  Of course, you can really only speculate on that, but in a society such as the UK where it is pretty hard to obtain guns, making them readily available would only logically lead to more crimes being perpetrated with the use of a gun.  So is gun control necessarily a failure just because gun crimes are on the rise?  I wouldn't immediately jump to that conclusion, but then again, I almost failed statistics so I'm surely not the right person to be spouting off about that stuff. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 10:35:20 pm »

I understand that you want me to outline a stand because this is "speaker's corner" but I don't feel like outlining my entire argument in my first post. I put something out there for us to discuss and put out some facts with my link. Unless you want to make it a requirement of first posts that they contain certain things in this mythical "speaker's corner" format, I'm going to just bait an argument and argue with anyone willing. Thinking out my whole argument for my first post is too much work when I'm going to school and working two jobs Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 03:52:13 pm »

Being a crony 'aint easy.
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