Official Fantasy Football Playoff Thread

[QB3RT]

 


n!FC & AFC championships this week.

Mighty N has 3 of the 4 slots.

Ruck & his #1 first pick of the draft LT goes up against my Cowboys
Zera & his cheese heads are going against DD's Pats

i think the happy birthday threads should have their own Section.  thought police

[QB3RT]

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[Ruckus]

joo is pwned nikka sheeeeeeeeeeeet


hasselbeck fo fohty five

LT for fitty

WORKED

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Z will win it all.

[Zeradul]

Meh... Ruck has LT vs Denver, and with the San Deigo D vulnerable to the pass, Denver will be in a close game late, meaning LT will play the whole game.  I have some core players who will likely be rested as well, but with no other solid opions and no moves left I have no choice but to play them.  It will be a coin flip.

Get this: so far the #1 and #2 seeds are 0-6 total in the first round of the playoffs every year we've done fantasy here.   WTF is that.

And the COMMISSIONER CURSE IS REALS YO.  Every season whoever has been commish has finished dead last!  WTF ? ? ? ? ? ?

Also the moves cap casualties went exactly in the way I predicted.  I said that a low Moves cap like we had (just over one per week) would harm the struggling teams most because they'd be limited in their ability to improve their team, as opposed to the good teams who can't improve with waiver moves.  (E.G. if you're a good team, your players are rockin, and you can't improve on Peyton, for example, with undrafted players on waivers)

Of the three teams who used all their moves up in the regular season, these teams had a combined record of 12-13 prior to running out of moves, and a combined record of 3-11 once their ability to improve was gone.  Not that I'm complaining, I was one of those who benefited as these managers dropped out of playoff contention that let me barely squeak into the playoffs with the worst seed.  But the point here is that attempts to stay competitive lead these managers to run out of moves and eliminated their chances of success late in the year.

A moves cap just doubles the punishment of having bad luck in the draft, as if a bad draft isn't hard enough to overcome.

[zephyrx]

i would have to disagree about the move cap, with 12 teams in the league there just aren't enough players left that can score significant fantasy points. Take Mnem's team for example (season pts -> highest points from available player if greater):

Kicker                    116 -> 117 = +1
TE                          21 -> 38 = +17
Def                        176 = Push = +0
QB                         313 = Push = +0
W/R                       576 = Push = +0


the only position he could have gotten slightly higher points is at the TE position simply because no available W/R had more points than his current top 6 W/R.

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Of course ... that is not taking into consideration teams that get blasted with injuries and have to play matchups to survive. IE I spent 1/2 the season without a QB cause both my Qb's went down. Just to make a simple point. I'll elaborate more l8r.

[Zeradul]

with 12 teams in the league there just aren't enough players left that can score significant fantasy points.

So then why have it?  I have a hunch that Mnem would have kept using moves if he had more.

But, that aside, it's inaccurate to break the stats down in the way you did.  You are including his studs, the guys who are never on waivers anyways, vs the depleted and picked over waiver remnants at the end of the season.  The fact that he's even with what is available means that there are lots of opportunities to spot play a player who is in a productive role for maybe even just one week.  Bryant Johnson for example, in for injured #1 and #2 WR's for AZ.  Or maybe the #3 receiver on a powerful offense that plays a GOOD run defense that is a TERRIBLE pass defense.  That guy Mnem might choose to roll with if it's better than what he currently has.

I guess it comes down to what you think Fantasy should be.  If it's drafting at the beginning of the year and sticking with that, that's one way to play.  But if Fantasy Football is also the skill involved to find a one week gem and play him if your team is such dire need that you would actually benefit from that, then I think there's no harm in allowing it.

As I've said before, everyone has the same number of bench positions, so my Fantasy philosophy is that moves cap should be high, and if you can improve upon your 16 players, do it!  To me that's the skill (and the fun) of Fantasy.  Plus, the most important thing here is that it should be fun for everyone.  If you have bad luck or make a mistake in the draft, it shouldn't end your season.  Imagine if your top RB is lost for the year in week 3, your #2 RB is a flop like Benson was, now you might spend 25 moves throughout the season trying to fill that void with backups, or one week spot plays.  With a low moves cap you're toast from the start.

My logic is, keep it fun for everyone, not exclude them if they're unlucky enough to have to use up their moves.

Don't get me wrong, there's something to be said of the skill involved with avoiding injury, avoiding players who might flop, but the fact is that someone will get those players, and that person shouldn't be punished twice for it.  (1-losing them off their roster, 2-having to use valuable moves to replace them)

[Mnementh]

Yeah, I would have liked to have had more moves.  My draft went alright, but then I got hit with some injuries and made a few bad, bad moves...which then killed me cause I just didn't have the amount of moves I needed to get myself back to where I wanted to be.  So all in all, I think I could have been more of a contender if I had been able to make a couple more trades/waiver picks to cover for my injuries and mistakes.

But, with that being said, I still believe that the move cap helped to keep things on the up-and-up this year.  There was a lot less acrimony in the league and frankly, I think there was a lot more parity this year.  No one went undefeated, and at the end of the season, only 2 games separated the last place team (ME) from the sixth spot for the playoffs.

[Zeradul]

You make a very good point.  I cannot explain the seemingly perfect parity we had this year.  Best team @ 9-4, worst at 4-9.

That was one of my predictions as well, that the moves cap would result in the least parity we've seen.  I can't really explain it.  Q being the most dominant team, for example, lost his four games by margins of: 54, 16, 3, and 2.  So he was very close there to going 11-2.

On the other end, Mnem lost games by 10,9,8,1, so Mnem was very close to doing much better.... Servo, however, won 3 of his 5 games by 13, 9, 8.... So he was close to going 2-11.

But yea, the parity was alot closer than I expected it would be, and I can't explain that.  Some ideas I have are: 12 team draft gobbles up a larger number of the core contributors in the NFL?  Or maybe the change in points, giving so many more points for yards to RB's devalues touchdowns scored enough to bring about parity?  I mean, if you had two RB's last year with combined stats of 190 yards and a TD, that would only get you 15 points, this year those same stats get you 25.  Compare that with a player like LT, for example, a performance of 120 yards and 3 TD's last year was worth 24, and this year only worth 30.  Not as big of a jump, which makes a LT-esque performance easier to overcome.

[Zeradul]

I had an idea to compare points scored instead of record.

2007 First place scored 65% more than last place
2006 First place scored 66% more than last place
2005 First place scored 37% more than last place

To reduce outlier influence:

2007 top three scored 39% more than the bottom three
2006 top three scored 36% more than the bottom three
2005 top three scored 30% more than the bottom three

Doesn't show much other than our level of parity has been about the same every year.  Records are much more susceptible to luck than points, E.G. Joel scored second most in points, and yet finished in 9th place.

[Mnementh]

I could care less about points....it is the record that dictates who gets into the playoffs and who doesn't.  The only time points matter is when there is a tie...which, yeah, then it becomes important.  But if you score 10,000 points in a season and I score 100 but I have one more win than you, then I win the league.  The simple fact of the matter is that almost every team in our league was in the playoff hunt up until about two weeks to the end of the regular season...and I think that is pretty cool.  That's the point I was trying to make, Irrelevant Stat Boy.

[Zeradul]

And the point I was making was that records in fantasy are not a good indicator of parity, as seen this year, while records showed parity, the league was actually equal or slightly less even than previous years.  Records being even were just happenstance.

Either way I've forgotten what this has to do with anything.

All in all it was a fun year.  Ruck's the new champ!

[Ruckus]

I promise to be a gracious champ and not dwell on the fact I curb stomped Romo's team and slapped Zeph  around like he lived in canada or something. And ohh yeah, Farve ate the big one too, I hit him so hard he now has a "9 o'clock" shadow .


And if you bitches want more show up next year....  just this time give me a challenge so I don't YAWN my way through next year like I did this one.


ohh and merry christmas and have a happy new year.


PATS UNDEFEATED FO LIFE !!!!                     

[QB3RT]

I promise to be a gracious champ and not dwell on the fact I curb stomped Romo's team and slapped Zeph  around like he lived in canada or something. And ohh yeah, Farve ate the big one too, I hit him so hard he now has a "9 o'clock" shadow .


And if you bitches want more show up next year....  just this time give me a challenge so I don't YAWN my way through next year like I did this one.


ohh and merry christmas and have a happy new year.


PATS UNDEFEATED FO LIFE !!!!                     

looks like we found next years commish 

[DragonMage]

I promise to be a gracious champ and not dwell on the fact I curb stomped Romo's team and slapped Zeph  around like he lived in canada or something. And ohh yeah, Farve ate the big one too, I hit him so hard he now has a "9 o'clock" shadow .


And if you bitches want more show up next year....  just this time give me a challenge so I don't YAWN my way through next year like I did this one.


ohh and merry christmas and have a happy new year.


PATS UNDEFEATED FO LIFE !!!!                    

looks like we found next years commish 

hahaha he has my vote!