FF Rules '09: Receiving Yards and PPR COMBINED

[Zeradul]

Mnem suggested I combine these votes, and so with so many options you can vote for up to your favorite 4 combinations.  My logic is, try to vote once for each of the yardage measurements (once for the three 20 yard options, once for the 15 yard options, and once for the 10 yard options, and if there's another one you're okay with, go for it.  You don't have to use all your votes, and you can change them if you change your mind.

If we get down to 1 or 2 options that are tied or very close, we can have a runoff vote to determine the winner. (and if we don't like it, we can always change it after next season)

[-Spectre-]

My prefered choice would be 1 Point per 20 Yards, 1 PPR

[chew]

1 point per 10 yards, give the WR's and TE's a chance to be more valuable in our league. 

[QB3RT]

WTR... We should lower the RB yards too to 1 point for 20 yards like it is supposed to be set.

[Zeradul]

Q, RB's have always been 1 point for 10.  Yahoo changed WR's last year to 1 point for 10.

That is the default now almost everywhere.

[-Spectre-]

That is the default now almost everywhere.

Yep and IMO it sucks.

[Zeradul]

You don't like it because it devalues RB's, but the game can still benefit from more equal player values.  It makes the draft much more challenging, because all of a sudden there is a very real chance that there can be more stud WR's go in the second round than RB's.

[QB3RT]

hmmm, i could have swore it was 20 yards for RBs too.  No matter what it should be equal for WR & RB's

[-Spectre-]

You don't like it because it devalues RB's, but the game can still benefit from more equal player values.  It makes the draft much more challenging, because all of a sudden there is a very real chance that there can be more stud WR's go in the second round than RB's.

Not really. Don't like it 'cause it has been my experience on the other league that it brings to much power to the WR position.

[QB3RT]

a TD is 6 points.  so all other stats should compare to what a TD is.  100 yards rushing shouldn't equal 10 points.  20 yards per point puts it more in line with what a TD should represent.

No way in hell should some one get a point for a reception for a loss of 2 yards.
Receptions are pointless.  You might as well give the kicker a point for every attempt or a running back a point for every run.

Fantasy Football is supposed to be about TDs & true NFL points.  The rest of the shit shouldn't even matter that much.
So if a TD was worth 12 points (and all other scoring points were double), i'd be down with 10 yards equals a point for any player except the QB.

[Zeradul]

That is an interesting perspective Q, and all I'll say is that I think there is more to fantasy than just TD's. 

To me, fantasy is about drafting/signing the best team you can.  And TD's are important, clearly the fastest way to a win, but since there are ways to measure those players' contribution to their teams, and so I think valuing RB's and WR's at 10 yards per point makes the game more fun, and more accurate way of calculating who had the best day.

Add to that the fact that a solid 70% of WR's don't catch a TD each week, that means that there IS skill in figuring out which players will still have a good day, even if they don't catch a TD.  Increasing those points magnifies a skillful waiver pick of a #3 WR on a shitty team who has 110 yards but doesn't score.

[QB3RT]

nope...  a drive for a TD should be 80 yards.  plus sometimes 70 yards stall and end up with field goals.  So i'm saying 120 yards is equal to a TD.

10 yards a point is saying 120 yards = 2 TDs.  No way in hell is that accurate.

I'll give you 80 yards = a TD. 

So how about 15 yards Running or Passing = 1 point
15 * 6 = 90 yards
That's a good compromise.

[Mnementh]

I somewhat agree with Q.  I like the 15 yards receiving per point, but would also like a .5 PPR.

I'm a big fan of increasing the power of the WR, as I often enjoy using a WR in my flex position and every week there's a ton of well performing WRs available to pick up as FA.  Making that "flex" position actually be flexible by either playing a WR OR a RB would rock....heck, I wish we could even plug in a TE in the flex position if we wanted to!

[QB3RT]

heck, I wish we could even plug in a TE in the flex position if we wanted to!

just like i plug you mamma's tightend in the flex position

[joel]

Maybe we should change the poll or make a new thread with the options most people seem to want.  It'll give us a better idea as to what to implement.

[Zeradul]

You can certainly do a run-off vote if you want joel.  It seems that the 10 yards per point is the clear winner, however, maybe people will vote differently now as a result of the discussion.

I'm home for the holidays, and so I won't be online for the games this weekend.  Good Luck to all, and GG's this year!

[-Spectre-]

Should add carries to RB's too if it's 10 pts/PPR/both for receirvers.

[Mnementh]

The whole purpose is to even out the value of WRs and RBs, spec.  If we add a point per carry to the RBs then they're right back to being the highest value player.

I do not think we agreed on the 10 yards per point AND a PPR for WRs, though.  I thought we were somewhere around 15 yards per point and  PPR or going 10 yards per point and .5 PPR....if I remember correctly.

[joel]

There are waaaaaay more WRs than RBs.

[Mnementh]

Yes, which is the whole reason for raising the value of WRs.  Right now, if you have a stud RB and he gets injured, in a 12 team league it is near impossible for you to make up that loss.  In a league where there is more balance between RBs and WRs, there is much more chance that you can still be competitive by making some moves at WR.  It just opens up your options.

[-Spectre-]

I tend to disagree seeing how the league has move to a more passing offense and a RB by committee. Also it is much more likely that a WR will end up with a 100+ Yds game than a RB will in today's NFL. If we move to a 15 yds + PPR I think it would be giving too much power to the WR's + The RB's will get the same points.

If the above takes place whoever drafts:

Warner + Boldin/Fitzgerald

or

Westbrook

would easily be the front runner to win it. I'm not against anything, I just think more thought has to be put into this. Yahoo changes the settings every year to match the trends of what's going on in the NFL and it usually works out. Not sure what the defaults were this year though. Maybe we should wait and see what the Yahoo presets are and take it from there.

[Zeradul]

{quote]would easily be the front runner to win it.[/quote]
Nope, it doesn't work like that at all.  Increasing the value of receiving yards decreases any one player's ability to truly dominate the league, by making every position a contender to score the most points that week.  With the current scoring method, RB's or QB's are almost always the top scorer on each team, any given week.  But with 3 WR positions, and one TE position scored at 10 yards per point, now you have increased the value of those four positions and now they have a realistic chance of being your top scorer.

The result is a more challenging draft, more competitive and higher scoring weekly matchups, and the best reason of all, the legitimate use of a waiver wire WR in the Flex position if you can't find a RB to use in a bye week.

RB's are still going to be the most valuable, but now you can finally make the argument that a Moss or a TO is a worthy first round draft pick, and not just if they have their career year that year.