DING DONG GM IS DEAD

Speaker's Corner
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Cute. I live in Hagerstown, Maryland. Move here in bulk if you’d like, it’d be funny. Whatever Detroit is, I know it’s not the crack capital of the U.S. of A. We also have the highest concentration of retards per capita, our founders were escaped mental patients you see. I moved here from D.C. and the history lessons upon arriving were brilliant.

What I said was, the best thing for Detroit right now is to grow new business. You can sit here and yell all you want about how horrible it is that everyone there is fucked, and I’ll agree with you, but what was the other option, oh wise one?

Is there some magical way everyone could have kept their jobs WITHOUT sinking another 30-100 billion taxpayer dollars that won’t come back out, which will only make it take an extra 6 months before everyone loses their jobs anyway?

No? So you’re just talking like we’re evil incarnate for no reason? Cool then. Carry on.

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hmm, my boat has a GM motor, 454 7.4L hopefully parts will still be available within the foreseeable future, they possibly could drop their marine line..

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I am truly shocked by these comments!!!

[quote]Getting pleasure from others pain is pathetic.
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What??? The only people in “pain” here are the taxpayers who got robbed and the incompetent GM management that should have been fired decades ago. They’re not really in pain though as their golden parachutes guide them down. Every employee good at his or her job will be hired back in a similar job within the year as GM’s niche is replaced. You guys act like with GM gone, all of a sudden the demand for cars will be nonexistent. C’mon guys, you know that’s not how it works.

[quote]i would not want GM or Chrysler to file for bankruptcy, sell majority of their assets to firms in other countries, fire a bunch of people and hope that tomorrow everything will be a-ok.
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Stas, why do you feel this matters? Do you honestly think that because GM failed, NO other company could possibly succeed in with their (now up for grabs) market share? C’mon man!

[quote]Look at all those Mexicans loosing their jobs Zera. Fucking dirty Detroit beaners.
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Ruck, all those people will be hired back by whomever fills GM’s niche in the market. Nothing changes except one massive, incompetent, and festering pile of management bureaucracy is gone. The workers were never to blame, and they will be hired back. Their management (and their unions) failed them, and now there will be competition to fill this void. And WTF is with the racism, that serves no purpose here. WTF man?

The three brands with the highest proportion (in dollar value) of American made parts are: Honda, Ford, and Toyota in THAT ORDER. GM cars are almost strictly based in Mexico (did you see “Roger and Me” ???) and GM ran Detroit into the ground.

I don’t understand you guys??? Mystic, Ruck, Stas, etc, why are you defending this TERRIBLE company that fucked over a great city? Watch Roger and Me again if you’ve forgotten. I’m speechless. I’m actually flabbergasted that Ruck is defending CEO’s and Corporate Fat Cats that just spent six months stealing Billions of dollars during a bailout that HE WAS AGAINST?!?!?!??!

WTF is going on here?

Even the very liberal John Stewart LAMPOONED GM, and the Obama administration for this absurd series of blunders, the cherry on top being the announcement yesterday that the government will be giving GM ANOTHER 30 FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS in the coming weeks. LOL WUT?

I wonder where DD and Kai stand on this. I know where Neo stands… :slight_smile:

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It doesn’t matter how people really feel about the real, actual issues, Zera. This isn’t some bank we’re talking about, these people make the Pontiac! And now they won’t! Oh noes! We all have to cry! Those of us who aren’t crying are obviously heartless bastards!

I’m shocked too, but for different reasons. The ability to throw reason out the window and adopt clearly false justifications as soon as the shit hits the fan over something you love is amazing. People who we know are anti-“corporate greed and misconduct” are actually for it, as long as it keeps American’s temporarily employed making a product that no one wants to buy.

Hypocrisy, much?

What Zera said, anyone who doesn’t suck at their jobs will get rehired when the factories are bought up by people who actually have the money to do something with. Yes, the new jobs will often be working for foreign companies, but if you have a problem with that, then you’re a fucking racist, making the rest of your opinion, to me, about as important as a pile of shit.

Oh yeah; Whoever hires from the now vacant work-pool of ex-car manufacturers will be paying less for the job than the people are getting now. You know why? Because the employees of the defunct car companies were almost all being paid more than the monetary value of the services they provide! This is another union thing, see, the factory workers were all being led (albeit usually blindly) by exceptionally greedy union leaders that demanded benefits damn near unparalleled in other fields while simultaneously demanding wages that are higher than the work was worth as well.

GM is Dead in No Small Part Due to the Greed and Misappropriation of Powers by the Workers’ Union.

See, if the workers had been willing to get paid a wage that actually represented the value of their work (including their benefits) then maybe, MAYBE, it would have taken an extra 2-3 years of corporate-level stupid fucking business practices to drag the whole system in to shit.

Plenty of blame to go around, folks. Just remember the headline from 2008, the not-so-distant past: “GM Workers Threaten Strike Over Threats to Dry Up Company Funded Viagra.”

Seriously. The more upset anyone is getting over what I’m saying in this thread, the less I’m inclined to view their opinions as anything other than unapologetically arrogant, and short-sighted. And if I think you’re being arrogant? Fuck, that’s saying something.

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The Chummer !!

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Well we’ve had enough capitalism for a while :rolleyes:. Let’s go socialist and see if it works or if it messes everything up AGAIN. That being said I’m not an economist and I’m kind of tired of getting worked up over politics. You get what you vote for America.

I’m going to keep on trying to get a good job, thinking about going Air Force because govt seems pretty good job security for the next 8 years (though maybe not long term since Dems are usually ant-military). Maybe I can get a good govt job when I get out.

Zera and Stinger pretty much said what I think. Dumb businesses should fail. Smart businesses should succeed. Times will change. People will survive. The American standard of living is so effing high compared to other countries you almost have to try to starve by refusing help. If other countries can get through crappy times so can we. Bother me when there are huge lines for soup and bread.

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In all reality I hate to see people lose their way of lives especially at the direction of those incompetent few who direct the ship. I feel for the families, not just of the union workforce but also the middle to lower management . Blame can be cast in many directions but the end result is the same for those mentioned before. I was hoping the Government’s assistance would have at least bought enough time to sustain the company past the consumer drought that plagues us now. It didn’t … Sigh .. so I guess restructure and hope for the best. :embarassed:

My thoughts and condolences to the families affected.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

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i didn’t mean all other countries, i meant all those yellow and red ones on that map compared to the luscious green of this country

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[quote]In all reality I hate to see people lose their way of lives especially at the direction of those incompetent few who direct the ship.
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Ruck, Noone is losing their job. The demand for cars today is EXACTLY what demand for cars was last week. The people who no longer work for GM will be re-hired by a successful brand. The only people that DID lose their jobs are upper management. It’s hard to get another job in the auto industry when “Oversaw GM financial collapse” is on your resume.

The majority of the workers at GM fucking kick ass at their jobs will be re-hired shortly by any of GM’s competitors who are expanding to take over GM’s market share (and many no doubt have already been re-hired)

Same with all of GM’s suppliers. They will just shift and start making these parts for GM’s competitors.

It is a wonderful time in the Auto industry. A BUNCH of crappy exec’s and union officials are out on their ass from one of the worst companies in the last 20 years, and all the healthy, successful companies now get to hire GM’s best and brightest engineers, as well as many, many, very experienced assembly line workers and so as these companies expand, they get entire factories for cheap, as well as thousands of employees that have already been trained.

It’s an incredibly healthy thing for this and any industry.